When there is any sources that could be mistaken for WP: RS referenced here, they are completely mispresented and the article's claims synthesized.

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The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists.

The former page's talk page can be accessed at Talk: Pickup artist.

-- Sasuke Sarutobi , 2 October 2006 (UTC) This article should be modified.

As it is, it mentions plenty of fringe figures with no relevance such as Johnny Soporno. There is now a strong countermovement, first seeded by Barry Kirkey (Extramask from The Game), now there is PUAHate.com, which exposes the shams and frauds of this subculture.

The former page's talk page can be accessed at Talk: Seduction lair.

This is not an article that should exist on wikipedia.What needs to happen, if anything, is that this article gets expanded and its intro gets incorporated into the main SC article.drunkenfight (talk) , 9 September 2010 (UTC) Recently some figures within the community have espoused more radical views concerning relationships.Previously the seduction community, although rejecting conventional views on dating, to a large extent accepted mainstream views on marriage and monogamy.It is the first, and only event to consistently bring the major companies within the seduction community together, and release the footage absolutely free with no advertising, no cost, and no sign up required. I feel the current one as it stands -- "The seduction community is a loose-knit subculture of men who strive for better sexual and romantic success with women through self-improvement and a greater understanding of social psychology." -- is problematic for the following reasons: • It does not incorporate the central role played by specific "sexual and romantic success", which is ambiguous from the wording; • It leans on two ill-defined concepts, namely "self-improvement" (vague) and "social psychology" (arguably has a distinctly different meaning within the scientific community from its common meaning in lay usage), making for an unclear or incomplete understanding of what the topic actually entails.• It does not make reference to any of the controversies that surround the subject and which are well-documented.This article is within the scope of Wiki Project Psychology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Psychology on Wikipedia.